Feddit.frTrump says Iran's key nuclear sites 'obliterated' by US airstrikes
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Who wants to bet they actually missed it completely or something LMAO
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Trump wants the expanded powers of POTUS that comes with being a wartime president, as well as a wartime budget, but he needs Congress to declare war…so what does he do?
He pulls out of an agreement that restricted Iran from enriching uranium, then threatens to attack them for enriching uranium. Unexpectedly, Iran takes the high road and goes to the UN over the threats. Since Iran won’t attack, Trump gets Israel to attack Iran. Now, Trump is allowed to attack Iran under the false pretense of protecting an ally, which circumvents congressional approval. He posts a message claiming peace, knowing full well that Iran will retaliate, and Congress will subsequently declare war.
Trump gets everything he wants- expanded powers, and a big budget to hide his reckless overspending, while calling it the defense of an allied nation.
The only thing I have a gripe with about this, Trump doesn't have the mental faculties to plan something like this, so who's really pulling the strings here?
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TropicalDingdongMiller probably.
Unlikely, since it doesn't involve harassing and torturing immigrants.
True true.
But you forgot that it does involve bombing Muslims.
CatmaTrue true.
But you forgot that it does involve bombing
Muslimsbrown people.
No need to nake it as complicated as religion
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RhaedasKey point. Yes, he's the focus right now, but there's people in the background influencing him as well as people just following orders from him. Lots of guilty people, not just one.
Congress "declaring war" is a relic of the past. Every conflict since WWII has been unilaterally decided by the executive.
He needs them to declare war to give him the fat budget and more executive power. I’m sure the Republican-controlled majority won’t have a problem with it. They’ve been foaming at the mouth for a hot war with Iran since the 80s.
Fuck. This. Man. Impeach him. Jail him. Deport him. I don't care just fucking get him out of politics.
On this matter, trump Kamala Biden Hillary they will all do the same thing.
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Edit: downvote as you like. My point was he might get jailed for many reasons, supporting Israel’s genocide and war is likely not one of them. Most recent US politician has been doing pretty much the same thing. 🤷♀️
The only person in your list that started a war without congressional approval was tronald dump. So do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
Screeching "bOtH SiDeS" while we literally watch only one side, only 1 president do this. Wow, you're definitely not indoctrinated...
Possibly. Probably even. It's still irrelevant.
It's kind of funny to watch the downvotes and the comments though. It's like a "our hivemind is better than your hivemind" situation.
BakkodaOr it's just blatantly stupid. That could be the reason.
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You're saying there is no unifying, collective sentiment on this community against anything to do with Trump or MAGA people? You're saying that people who favor Trump are welcome here? That there is even room for discussion?
I'm saying there's a definite hivemind on this community. It's objectively better than the MAGA hivemind, of course, it's barely comparable. But it's funny to see it unfold in a thread like this. In a sad kind of way though, a way where it shows that the country is entirely black and white and polarized to the brink of civil war.
People in general will be happy if their friend gets promoted at work, but sad if they get hit by a bus. Is this a hivemind mentality? Or just the result of people having thoughts and emotions and values and ya know being people.
Who is Trump Kamala Biden Hillary?
Never heard of that person before.
It’s the name of latest LLM trained from all US politician.
When spelling the word Israel, almost all US politicians look the same lol.
Remove Trump now!
That’ll take the spines of 6 Republicans in the House and 20 Republicans in the Senate. Actually, 16 Republican Senators. Fetterman will probably vote against removal.
So iran is no longer a threat and we can drop sanctions now?
errrr, well let us see, I am skeptical these strikes were decisive, they might just make the US look worse
peregrin5What gives you the impression Trump cares about how the US looks to the international community?
Nothing, but I do think he has to respond to it.
JessicaIran says that they will not stop with their efforts. Trump just said that if it doesn’t stop, he will continue with his campaign. Unless one side relents, this will lead to war. Or, as the media will put it “precision strikes against a foreign adversary” Fuck the USA, may it reap what it sows.
The analysis before the attack was that the bunker-busters probably wouldn't make it all the way through the mountainside, so Iran could dig their way out and get everything back on line in a few months.
Did this change, or is this just another case of Trump giving the illusion of having done something, when it's all glitzy window-dressing and bullshit?
I thought talk of nukes was to make invasion seem like a good and sane alternative. That, or it was news corporations gleefully picking up some nonsense and shouting it from the rooftops hoping for some clicks.
Looking at the photos, there's barely any difference. If the bombs can go deep enough to damage the facility, shouldn't we see exposed sections?
Deflated0neI hope the bunker-buster bombs worked. Whether the costs of war are worth paying in order to destroy Iran's nuclear program is debatable, but they're definitely paid in vain if the program survives.
Avid AmoebaYeah. If they didn't manage to really destroy the material base of the program, Iran wil get nukes and the world's opinion could also shift in Iran's favour. Especially if they now act with restraint and hit all the legal avenues to say how they got harmed without justification.
My major concern is that faced with defeat either way, they use dirty bombs to irradiate the population centers of israel. We’d have 9 million refugees and a huge environmental catastrophe.
Is that on the cards? I guess they could load whatever material they have onto missiles and shoot. Even if they're intercepted, the fallout would still occur. But I thought their nuclear option is actually destroying Saudi oil facilities. That would plunge the world into another inflationary cycle and accompanying economic instability, likely political instability too. Wouldn't get rid of the Israeli threat though. I guess irradiating Israel would achieve that.
"Dirty" Bombs are just weapons of terror, the radiation is extremely localized. It would be absolutely pointless for a nation-state to use them. If you want to say that Iran would give Isis/Hamas one, I guess it's possible, but equally pointless. You aren't going to scare Israel away with a dirty bomb.
I don't think that Iran is going to get a lot of sympathy from any country not already on its side (and of those, Russia has other priorities). Iran's ambitions have put it at odds with both Western countries and the Arab world and international law (even if it is on Iran's side - I don't know) is never going to lead countries to act against the dictates of realpolitik.
If anything, Israel and the US have clearly showed Iran that they will never be safe unless they develop military capabilities strong enough to deter attacks.
Like... what kind of message do you think you're sending when you attack a country trying to develop nukes because they see you as an existential threat? Iran has been shown that the only way they will ever be safe from Israel is by developing nukes such that Israel doesn't dare attack them.
The intent is presumably to force Iran to accept that it cannot be safe in that way, and that the best it can do is to appease its enemies. That's a situation that many countries have been forced to accept over the course of history (and one that Iran has been eager to impose on is neighbors).
Fuck trump! He needs to be obliterated.
In WW2 my mom lived in a German-occupied town where there was both a small airfield and a train station. They were both popular targets for allied bombing.
When British bombers approached, people knew to stay away from them, when American bombers approached people knew to stay away from the residential area half a mile around them.
I seriously hope that this has improved, but Americans still seem to believe in quantity over accuracy.
That story sounds a bit suspect just based on the different bombing strategies the two countries typically used. American bombers during ww2 on the whole were much more accurate than British bombers owing to their choice to do their bombing during the day rather than at night.
British strategic bombing runs were generally performed at night which meant fewer casualties taken from the smaller number of defending fighters that could be effective at night and the reduced effectiveness of anti-aircraft fire which made them safer but obviously less accurate since they usually couldn't accurately make out targets in the dark.
American strategic bombing was generally performed during the day with advanced bomb sights that were basically little computers that took into account the bomber's speed, altitude, and wind to get at least for the times, as accurate a bombing as you could achieve dropping unguided bombs from high altitude. Bombing during the day put them at greater danger from defending fighters and more accurate anti-aircraft but it was deemed worthwhile for the greater accuracy and damage done to targets.
Oh, I have only my mother's account, who knew nothing of bombing sights etc, and only noticed where the bombs ended up after they were dropped. It's very anecdotal and I can't verify especially since she passed away a few years ago. She'd get to the shelter as soon as the first sign of an attack was there and get out when things calmed down and look what houses were still there and which might need fires be pur out. She and her family were very happy when the Canadians liberated the area and everyone stopped blowing stuff up..
I already had that individual tagged as a liar, so you're most likely correct.