Feddit.frFascist bootlickers call Piefed a CIA op and thought policing because [checks notes] it has admin tools for checking upvote/downvote reputation
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I read about most of the shit the tankies on ml say it's censorship. Many of them are just common sense stuff. And the fact that you are flagged for commenting "this" or that you're commenting with a GIF from Tenor - those two things are pretty low effort and I think the answer to it is a proper one (no, it's not actually a thing about GIFs, it's about low effort comments. You can upload your own GIF elsewhere and use it).
Also, it's funny how they have nothing against China using a social credit system, but when Piefed uses it
“China doesn’t have a social credit system, and if they did it would be based; but these WESTOID KRAKKKER IMPERIALISTS are operating a SECRET POLICE by having admin access to reputation scores for an online forum 😭”
Have admins able to access to all your data on that server - ✅ OK
Have admins able to see a reliable score of all your nonsense without beating their heads around with eating your shit - ❌
Pretty incredible crashout from people who are terrified that their pro-genocide devs might not exercise complete control anymore, lmao
My favorite is all these twats before saying “IF YOU DON’T LIKE LEMMY CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE” when people pointed out that the Lemmy devs were pro-genocide and enforced pro-genocide views on their flagship instance, and now that there’s an alternative, they have total meltdowns about persecution, lmao.
But no one ever said fascist bootlickers were particularly bright, or, for that matter, stable. If they were, one imagines they wouldn’t tie up their identity so tightly with genocide denial.
They just don’t like that they can’t control the narrative on Piefed and that Lemmy’s developers are so busy banning people for dissent that they don’t spend enough time developing their platform, leading to Piefed surpassing it in features and quality.
Quite the package. I‘d be interested which fascists you are talking about, how they are being bootlicked and for which genocide these people are. You‘re just throwing mud, bring some substance, so I can learn something or at least have a laugh at you.
lmao, you’re the same Uyghur genocide denier that came here last time. Didn’t you call this place a Nazi bar? What are you doing hanging out in a place where you (delusionally) think Nazis gather?
I guess you’re really desperate to sit at a table with fellow genocide deniers, but unfortunately for you, you’ll not find your kind here. Try back on .ml.
Wow, straight to the genocide denier defamation, you‘re a real and absolutely unhinged class act.
I stand by my classification of this place as a Nazi bar. Just the other day your bartender colleague goat showed their racism, when confronted with their dumb perspectives on the (actual) Gaza genocide. This only adds to the pile for this community, which consists of hate speech (dehumanizing, othering), racism, genocide denial, propaganda, bad faith engagement.
I‘m just here to confront you with your bullshittery. Show onlookers and passerbys what this place is. And by not doing much at all, automatically tanking my holy social credit score.
Kind of funny, how you wonder what I‘m doing here, when you and your ilk are the ones actually stalking other communities in order to screenshot them, willfully misinterpret them, laugh at them. At least I am actually here, not cowardly gossiping about your ignorant takes in other communities.
What a sad collection of individuals you are. I wonder who‘s actually living in whose head.
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Now, back to your deranged mud-slinging into the void:
So the „pro-genocide“ refers to the Uyghurs, as you‘ve now made clear with your outright defamation. And you are angry, because there are people that actually read and look through the evidence (which is more than you ever did) and determine that it‘s not a genocide, bring the receipts for it and also find that it‘s highly suspicious, that every information on this falls back on this Adrian Zenz character, some western three-letter-agency reports and really nothing else.
And you really wish that people would pay more attention to this, because you care so deeply about muslim minorities, right? Right?
Let’s move on.
Who are the fascists, tho? What‘s the bootlicking? Just trying to understand your weird takes.
Walk into a bar
“Wow, this is a total nazi bar, everyone in here is associating with nazis!”
Sits down, orders beer, starts talking to people
I got them tagged as “calls everyone nazi type of tankie” from earlier. Looks I chose accurately.
if you really feel that way why the fuck did you come back, if we’re not ‘your kind of nazis’
what a strange self own.
I can’t believe I would defame you with something you admit in the very same comment, how inaccurate of me.
Fascist bootlickers really just can’t help yourselves, can you?
Ya, so easy to dismiss anything like that, real good faith commentary.
See, that would be a useful answer, if I actually stated, that I agreed with this stuff. But I want to know from you, PugJesus, if you read the evidence and actually disagree with it and if so, why?
And now you just call me a fascist bootlicker, how ridiculous are you?
Answer my questions, I‘ll repeat them:
Who are the fascists?
What‘s the bootlicking?
lmao
im curious, nazi, can you tell me what my perspective was?
My god you’re fascinatingly embarrassing! There should be a case-study made on the correlation between one’s lack of self-awareness and their seeming limitless ignorance.
aaaand that’s why Piefed has a reputation flag.
Is that my social credit score?
And why now does Piefed have such a thing? So divergent, critical accounts get marked and the well behaved good citizens, like you, get to know exactly, who the troublemakers are, priming them before they even engage? Gotta make sure everyone is on their best behaviour and nobody starts making a fuss.
Pick up that can,
gullible foolcitizen.it must be strange tasting your own medicine.
How is any of this my own medicine? You‘re in a literal Nazi Bar, get out of it.
So people can see trolls for what they are.
It’s always morally correct to laugh at Pugjesus - you don’t need to wait for a reason.
True praxis is you lot all letting me live 24/7 in your heads rent-free, comrade, thank you 🙏
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lmao
Keep it up, sweetheart. :)
i didn’t remove this comment or ban you
probably automod
That thread is a mess only good point that was made is that the spoiler effect is baked into first-past-the-post to minimize democracy. The elites want us stuck with only 2 choices on the ballot.
More people need to educate themselves on electoral systems since those in power want us to accept an inferior system till the end of time. But that’s too much thinking for Tankies, gotta burn down society for the accelerationism bs that just gets people killed and progress stalled for ages.
Yeah, FPTP has to go. At least a few of our problems will leave entirely with that shitty and outdated form of voting rule, even if most problems remain.
Imagine unironically posting these comments in communities that notoriously ban people for wrong-think.
Shit like this really makes me question if they can genuinely be this stupid.
i’d like to tout that this community rarely bans users and has one of the fairest and most lenient ban conditions. we encourage tankies to come and engage
but tankies like to say they get banned for ‘wrongthink’ since it’s easier to lie than admit you can’t handle people criticising your otherwise asinine positions.
They are in denial
This claim is literally standing shoulder to shoulder with known Hitler-worshipper Elon Musk’s attacks on USAID last year. The only group that can out-conspiracy theory Hexbear and Grad is Qanon at this point.
It’s very curious how all extremists end up with the same talking points and views. The antisemitism from tankies is almost identical to neo-nazis, even posting and sharing the same conspiracy theories.
If I were a bot farm operator, that’s exactly what I would do. Right-wing authoritarian talking points branded with “Leftist” packaging.
Yeah, most likely it’s Russian disinformation at some level in the pipeline of extremism
Oh yeah that was the post that made me block their meme community 🤣
Is the “globally tracks your score” part true? That would be a huge negative for me. I found myself self-censoring on Reddit, and I hated it when people deleted or edit their comments to preserve their karma.
As I understand it, it lets the instance admin display if it drops below a certain level, as a suggestion a user needs a deeper look.
I don’t think users can see the actual number/karma equivalent by any means.
Interesting, I’m not sure how I feel about it. On Reddit it encouraged people to post groupthink fluff so they could be allowed onto their desired subreddit. The bots were great at that, and we got a “dead internet” website.
I suppose we’ve got other stuff going for us like bans being local and bots being scorned. And I have to admit that mod/admin effort isn’t free. Do you think the low karma warnings could potentially be a slippery slope to something worse?
Reddit records positive karma though, which is different.
Also Reddit or Reddit communities (not sure) can literally throttle the activity of users who are heavily downvoted within a specific subreddit. Some subs also instant block anyone with -100 Karma. Unfortunately though, when you do encounter an account like that… it’s very obviously why they are like that. People can get unfairly hit by arguing in the wrong communities but 9 times out of 10, a -100 karma account (it caps at that on Reddit) has been trolling, looking for fights, spamming etc.
It’s understandable to feel that way, but imo this is about basic internet etiquette rather than censorship. If I went to .ml and wrote a few sensible comments there I would quickly get a bad rep. It’s not perfect but it’s a far cry from censorship as well.
Doesn‘t matter what it‘s supposed to be, the relevant factor is what it does in reality.
i agree, there shouldn’t be any upvotes, downvotes or reputation system at all.
I mean if we had piefed without a karma/reputation system we would get a true level playing field, reduced performative posting, more raw feedback and less censoring.
but on the other hand there would be too much noise, spam and bot flooding (since no reputation/karma), lack of trust and accountability.
Xitter for example has no rep system yet people still find a way to judge the quality of a post using the Ratio method (likes vs comments)
I like the principle of reddit and piefed expands on that and tries to come in with “common sense tools”
I think it’s really up to you to decide what is important.
Do you want a place for raw, unfiltered, diverse and equal expression? (à la Twitter) which comes with its set of negatives. Or a place that is organized, high-quality and “trustworthy” and its own set of negatives
I personnaly prefer an organized place but that’s just my opinion.
Edit: should have used Mastodon as an example instead of Twitter
I suppose it would depend on where the score limit is. Any admin tool can be abused by a sufficiently determined admin, of course, but I think as long as the low-reputation limit is something along the lines of “This person is consistently averaging a distinctly negative score”, it’s probably fine. You’d really have to be overwhelmingly commenting on controversial issues with nothing but controversial takes in order to average that with good faith posting.
Mostly it’s the “MY BIG NUMBER” attitude that I think should be avoided, and since users can’t see their reputation, that’s probably not going to be a problem.
My reputation is so low, because I critically engage in this community from time to time and people don‘t like it.
calling random people nazis and fascists for not liking tankies isn’t critical engagement
this the critical thinking you talk about?
Or do you mean critically engage against people’s opinion even when yours seems to be the same line of thinking the tankie employ? Because you give the vibe that the only country you adore and care about is Russia and China, to which the system used by piefed is really useful for people to not engage any of your comment.
Gonna have to disagree with you on this one.
Much though one might criticize the lemmy devs for their politics, at least they keep it to their instance. They don’t bake it into the software.
And that’s very much as opposed to rimu, whose opinions are at the heart of Piefed and forced into virtually everything the software does from the moment you sign up for a piefed instance, from the preset subscriptions to the reputation tags and default hiding of downvoted content to the list of prohibited sources and banned domains.
All you have to do to avoid Dessalines and Nutonic’s opinions is to avoid their instance and federated ones. But it’s impossible to use Piefed and avoid rimu’s opinions, because they’re baked into the software.
Wait, which platform was it again that used to have a hard-coded slur list that could not be modified by instance admins but only by modifying the relevant section of code, and had the main dev throw a temper tantrum when people suggested otherwise? I forgot…
This has been refuted time and time again by people literally running Piefed instances.
No, it in fact hasn’t. If anything, it’s been verified by them, because they generally start off by admitting that everything I said is true. It’s just that they then go on to say that it somehow doesn’t count because it’s possible to opt out of those anti-features.
Which misses both the point that the anti-features do exist (as opposed to Lemmy) and do exist because rimu stuck them in there, and that most of the reason it’s possible to opt out of them is because other people - notably wjs018 - added that functionality.
Jesus fucking Christ.
“It’s an admin option” /=/ " forced into virtually everything the software does from the moment you sign up for a piefed instance…” or “baked into the software.”
This person would be really upset if they knew Lemmy.zip blocks hexbear and grad by default in the user settings.
Those anti-features don’t exist in Lemmy
Any moderation that goes beyond the content of a message in context is questionable. Plus, some of us take pride being constantly downvoted as gadflies for challenging lack of critical thought where it’s most inconvenient & unwelcome. Moderating based on “reputation” leads to unreflective conformity hostile to the “wrong” questions.
Post needs link to source, because that image of text ain’t helpful for web accessibility or digging the source for deeper context.
Images of text break much that text alternatives do not. Losses due to image of text lacking alternative such as link: - usability - we can’t quote the text without pointless bullshit like retyping it or OCR - text search is unavailable - the system can’t - reflow text to varied screen sizes - vary presentation (size, contrast) - vary modality (audio, braille) - accessibility - lacks semantic structure (tags for titles, heading levels, sections, paragraphs, lists, emphasis, code, links, accessibility features, etc) - some users can’t read the image due to lack of *alt text* (markdown image description) - users can’t adapt the text for dyslexia or vision impairments - systems can’t read the text to them or send it to braille devices - web connectivity - we have to do failure-prone bullshit to find the original source - we can’t explore wider context of the original message - authenticity: we don’t know the image hasn’t been tampered - searchability: the “text” isn’t indexable by search engine in a meaningful way - fault tolerance: no text fallback if - image breaks - image host is geoblocked due to insane regulations.
Contrary to age & humble appearance, text is an advanced technology that provides all these capabilities absent from images.